They were "working it hard this weekend and working it online". I wonder if the reporter, Sharon Smith of WBTV knows that Brandon Greeson of Spiritual Counseling Network and Tim Curtis were THREATENING to sue people for having an opinion of them, and using intimidating means to shut them up? Maybe she needs to know.
Wednesday, October 27, 2010
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Brandon Greeson,
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Hickory North Carolina,
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Tim Curtis,
Zahra Baker,
Zahrabaker.com
Sandi, you obviously do not know Brandon or Tim. If you did, you would know they do not make THREATS to sue, they will do it. And, I suspect after filing a suit against Laurie Powell for slandering them (she is now on record admitting to not telling the truth, and has had her remarks removed from several websites), that you would be the next person they would sue. In fact, I have heard a subpoena has already been served on Google Corp for the release of your information. Just a matter of a few days, until they are able to zero in on you.
Also, in NC, any fax sent to any government agency is public record - including the phone number used to transmit the fax. As is any email sent or received. So, keep digging your hole. It won't be long, until you will be donating to the Zahra Baker Fund by way of the NC Justice System.
"In fact, I have heard a subpoena has already been served on Google Corp for the release of your information. Just a matter of a few days, until they are able to zero in on you."
OMG! Now that is some funny shit right there LOL! You seriously want people to believe that Google is going to hand over anyone's IP because you don't like what people on a blog are saying about you and your scam? LOL First you have to convince a judge there is slander. Good luck with that skippy. Somehow I don't see a convicted felon walking into a courthouse crying that someone is slandering them. Nope then you will have to prove to the judge what is being said is not true. Good Luck with that :)
Seems like too many comments and threats of suing people..... Nothing being done by Dr. GED & associates regarding Zahra EXCEPT mouthing off and raising money on the bones or should I say prosthetic leg of a dead child. Legitimate religious groups doing morally appropriate work, do not generate this much negative attention... Gee could something be morally as well as financially wrong? The money mongers are trying to hide inside the temple.
Put your money where your mouth is (excuse me I mean the money of those kind-hearted, emotionally connected individuals to the horrible tragedy that has befalled poor Zahra... Guess you got the donations to be able to file suit you can use the Zahra donations but I thought you needed them for FOOD and living expenses? I hope you are rich because if you come after any of us we are not bending over. It will cost you alot of money. If you got the dime honey I got the time. I have never lost yet.
You could be my new pet project and an internet example made.
If you are so right in your approach why are your webpages changed and please excuse our dust.... That just shows me and others who have been watching .... your trying to cover you asses. You better get some big fat ass togas because you are going to need them.
Wow, Sandi. Struck a nerve, huh? The only response you have is "call the probation officer" and calling Brandon a "bitch." Incredible. Shows really what kind of person you are. (Btw, probation officers are law enforcement officers in NC - so filing a false report about someone can result in legal action - Sandi)
As for the other Anonymous poster, understand that there are less than a handful of people making slanderous allegations and remarks about my friends at Spiritual Counseling Network. The response is not felt community wide. In fact, so many people are sickened by the attacks that an attorney has offered her services to represent them pro-bono and last I heard, donations were pouring in for the Zahra Fund.
They have made the decision to only release financials to those individuals who make a donation - as they are the only ones who deserve to know how money is being spent. So, you brood of vipers will never know.
Toodles!
It's obvious fat ass doesn't go to many crime forums. They are all up in arms over this fraud and many of them are doing a little digging and calling of their own. "Less than a handful of people" Oh you have no idea just how many people are looking into your fraud.
The heat is about to be TURNED UP!!! I heard fat people sweat more than skinny people.. Better buy some RAID for underarm deoderant!!! You need it.
Is this attorney's name SAMANTHA? 'sup fester?
Brandon unless you have permission to use the real names of folks I suggest you stop doing so. You are proving exactly what you are - a THUG. You are a criminal. You haven't changed a bit since you got Jesus. Nothing has changed except your criminal acts have become more sophisticated.
Brandon & Dr Tim,
Are you saying the people who simply put their cash into the collection bucket at Walmart don't have the right to know where THEIR money, collected FOR ZAHRA FUND, NOT YOU went? Or is going? What happened to the fund being 100% transparent?
Manson had his devotees. So did David Koresh and Jim Jones. Greeson and Curtis have theirs, too. Devotees – either blind to the truth or willing participants in this charade of “God’s Work”.
Lawsuits and subpoenas for slander . . . not libel or defamation?
Why is it they never mention the filing numbers of the alleged cases, type(s) of action, when filed and in what jurisdiction?
And this preoccupation with “zeroing in” on critics? (Insert scripture of one’s choice, here, about forgiveness and understanding – New Testament, please).
The defense against slander is the truth. Have they followed NC statutes? Now that is a subject Curtis and Greeson have never addressed, to my knowledge. Calling them “fat” is childish and a cheap shot.
However, it is true.
So, to go on record – I believe these two fat, tortured assholes are frauds.
Con artists, too. Predators hiding behind mail-order ordinations. Wolves among sheep. Sheep: Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!
Now now, it's not nice to bully. Play nice in the sand box. The P.C. term for "fat" is "un-pleasently plump" the P.C. term for fat ass is "junk in the trunk" the P.C. term for asshole is "stinky blow hole."
Isn't it interesting how Brandon, who is gay and fought for gay rights, and Tim, who bought his DoctorATE degree (was never ordained)rely on threats, stalking and harassment to get people from reporting them and talking about them. Sambranashtim, give it up. We will not be intimidated by you. We will not give this up.
Seems Brandon isn't a stranger to controversy. Check out his prior experience as an acting campaign manager and aide to Anne Fischer's failed Democrat campaign for Congress. She's a total wacko. I guess she and Brandon's boyfriend Will fit right in. As communications director, he just naturally fit into his current scam, er...slot.
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/mar/04/anne-fischer-fires-back-ex-manager-ar-96507/
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/mar/12/aide-was-fired-ar-96898/
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/mar/06/congressional-candidate-loses-another-staff-member-ar-96591/
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/mar/13/greesons-e-mail-ar-96967/
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/mar/13/we-have-had-enough-ar-96960/
All it took was to go to the Hickory Daily Record and search for Brandon Greeson. I can't be sued for searching a name on google, I don't think.
Thank's & great stuff
Hey, all of you Greeson and Curtis supporters!
Seems that your Spiritual Counseling Network and Zahra Baker websites have vanished. I'm not talking the "Pardon our dust while we scramble to cover our asses" page - I mean GONE!
So, loyal sheep - where IS the transparency from your leaders, now? Where are the hiding faces of Greeson and Curtis? They were such media whores when it served their purpose. NOW they are afraid to come out of the closet and into the "Truth and the Light"?
So much for faith. What a bunch of cowards.
Yabba Dabba Dooooosh Bags.
oops, seems like someone needs to tell the state that they don't need that non profit status anymore. Pricks.
I was mistaken that the sites for both the Spiritual Counseling Network and Zahra Baker Fund are gone. They were "gone" for me. It appears that they blocked my IP address.
Got the work-around and "Lo and behold" there they are!
Still hiding, but no longer advertising their rates. Hey boys - Has the NC SOS's investigator contacted you, since your last filing?
And what was your Pastoral Counseling License number? I must of lost it during the remodel!
At least the "founder" of ULC had the stones to admit he was a con-artist. Pussies!
I bet they contact them again. A little birdie told me something. chirp chirp
Yep, they are still there. They just don't want certain people looking. chirp chirp is an understatment.
Here's a portion of ever-changing, new and improved site for Zahra Baker. ". . . launching a new marketing campaign." hahahahahaha! You tools crack me up!
Even if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. Nice shade of lipstick, boys - - it compliments your utter desperation and cowardise.
Here it is:
"We are in the process of revamping our website and launching a new marketing campaign. In the interim, we encourage you to support the Fund with your prayers and by making a donation. Donations will not go to the benefit of any individual (no one will receive a salary from these funds and they will go to the four elements established above). The Fund is administered by SCN Healing & Deliverance Center, under the direction of the church's Board of Elders. SCN is a registered non-profit with the NC Secretary of State's office and with the NC Charitable Solicitation division."
Still waiting for your Pastoral Counseling License number. While you're at it, how 'bout them Case Numbers, against the Philistines, your legal team is aggresively pursuing? What? No filings! Cowards.
You can block, but you can't hide.
It occurs to me that if this bunch is blocking IP addresses, they cannot possibly be concerned about raising money for the Zahra Fund. If all was as legal as they have claimed, it seems it would be their hope that as many as possible get to access the site in hopes of increasing the small amount of donations they have gathered. How do they know that someone they have blocked would not donate? What are they hiding? I thought that the fund was supposed to be transparent. It is unbelievable that these clowns are still around! Just because they have blocked IP addresses does not mean that seeing their site is impossible LOL. Guess they have not figured that out! They may be tech savvy but evidently are not smart enough to know they should have never started this charade.
They can block all the IP's they want, the info is still there. I bet like me, lots of you have hundreds of friends whom u can ask to take a look see & capture. They can't block every Ip in the world now can they.
@Anonymous (11/2/10 @ 4:19pm) - Maybe you don't realize that it doesn't take rocket science to figure out who is going to a website to be malicious. The installation of a web logger (like Stat Counter) will give them all the details they need to monitor access to their server.
If I was them, and someone was taking my photos and attacking me with nothing more than their stinking opinion - I would block them too.
You guys have given nothing to support that these guys have defrauded a single soul. Just speculation. The reason they are still raising money and they are still around, is that they are perfectly legal from the evidence they have provided to the public.
I went to their office on Monday and met with two of the gentleman after reading the b/s that many of you had posted online. The guys seem very genuine to me and they proved to me - beyond any measure of doubt - that they are legal and that the fund is being managed properly. In fact, I believe a former teacher of Zahra's came in to be referred to a professional Christian counselor in the area because of some anxiety she was having surrounding Zahra's disappearance.
I think you guys just need to hang it up. You are calling these guys frauds and scams and all kinds of ugly names. Have you ever heard the old saying: "If you ain't got nothing good to say, keep your mouth shut." Maybe that is some advice you could learn to live by.
If someone is purely looking at the site, how can that be malicious? I think accusing people of being malicious is ridiculous. If the fund is transparent, why would they care who went to their site. Yes, it is still there, I can see it. By blocking others from seeing it seems to raise more questions about the up and up of this whole fund raising effort. Who is to know whether some who have been blocked have contributed? I am betting those who put money in at Wal Mart did not leave their names and IP addresses. Do you feel it is fair for those who contributed in that manner to be banned from seeing the report of what has come in and what will go out? As far as taking pictures, I have no clue what you are talking about so maybe you can explain that situation. I do not think there is a comment section on the site so how can anyone be attacking people on there?? Some of this makes no sense. If there is nothing to hide, do what you promised, make everything transparent...just my opinion. As far as you last comment about keeping your mouth shut, I am sure I saw some very ugly posts and accusations being made by at least one of the founders. I believe it was the one who had his criminal record exposed by a local newspaper. It is just my opinion that setting up the site with the name of Zahra Baker is not the right thing to do as this poor child is missing and as if there is not enough exploitation of these type sad cases, this is just too much...again, just my opinion.
On Nov. 2, 2010 7:16 PM - Anonymous wrote:
"If I was them, and someone was taking my photos and attacking me with nothing more than their stinking opinion - I would block them too.
You guys have given nothing to support that these guys have defrauded a single soul."
No evidence? I've requested their NC Pastoral Licensing Numbers several times. Why wouldn't this be on their website? A simple and legitimate request. Hell, even plumbers state their contractors license out for inspection and they deal with crap on a daily basis.
Since you went to their office - why don't YOU post it for all to see. If it is legitimate, I will apologize for doubting and criticizing them, regarding their licesnsing.
You also stated in the same post: "The guys seem very genuine to me and they proved to me - beyond any measure of doubt - that they are legal and that the fund is being managed properly."
"The guys seem very genuine to me". Fair enough - but that is opinion - Your opinion.
It cannot readily verified in the public domain. It's a statement, only. And since you used the word "seem", it sounds as if you are covering your bases if this thing goes south real fast. Next time, I suggest a more powerful statement of affitmation and support.
Additionally, what evidence did they provide to you to supporting you statement ". . .beyond any reasonable doubt . . .". You decry the nay-sayers for spouting opinion without facts and yet, you provide nothing. Bizarre!
Greeson was a political campaign manager. Communication is vital for the success of a campaign. His affiliation to the SCN includes a marketing component. Marketing is crucial for the success of a product.
As such, if anything, he is failing miserably in his marketing role, as it appears SCN and the ZB fund is circling the bowl and leaving skid marks.
Until either you and the "boys" come up with something other than you outbursts of anger and threats (to refute statements made regarding SCN and ZB fund), I will continue to believe they are predators and con-artists.
And how 'bout those case numbers of cases filed against their critics?
These boys should be thanking the critics - the critics have pointed out the holes in their "fool-proof plan".
So, put on your big-girl pullups and provide the proof. I'll be waiting.
Sandi, you obviously do not know Brandon or Tim. If you did, you would know they do not make THREATS to sue, they will do it. And, I suspect after filing a suit against Laurie Powell for slandering them (she is now on record admitting to not telling the truth, and has had her remarks removed from several websites), that you would be the next person they would sue. In fact, I have heard a subpoena has already been served on Google Corp for the release of your information. Just a matter of a few days, until they are able to zero in on you.
So, where is the statement, on record of Laurie Powell admitting to not telling the truth? Probably the same place as the statement you were going to give about your meeting with the Chief of Police.
Also, in NC, any fax sent to any government agency is public record - including the phone number used to transmit the fax. As is any email sent or received. So, keep digging your hole. It won't be long, until you will be donating to the Zahra Baker Fund by way of the NC Justice System
Mr. Greeson and Mr. Curtis:
I haven't you recycled this same garbage before? Anyone can submit a FOIA to any government agency at any time. That does not mean that you are going to get requested information. Did you learn this while you were pretending to be Samantha in your role playing law school? I bet you were wearing that cute orange felt ball sack cover, too weren't you? Do you really want to come on here and threaten people? Get back to me on that. Okay?
Your fund is a crock of shit. The ONLY reason you haven't taken it down is you are making money. You are covering your collective asses (very LARGE AND HAIRY ones I might add). The end is near and it's not the Tribulation. More like the first time that you can say a bunch of women really gave it you GOOD!
Let me help the idiots out that seem to be confused about slander. First of all, you and your faux law student friends need to learn the definition of slander. Defamation of character is divided into 2 parts: One being libel, the other being slander. In order to prove libel (written communication) or slander (verbal communication) you have to prove that A) The communication is FALSE; and B) The communication caused harm to your name, reputation, and your character to which point it's irreparable. If you are going to threaten to sue people, at least know what you are supposedly suing them for.
So, good luck with that whole suing thing, fools.
Thanks, Miguel - Truth is the defense to slander allegations.
Now - let's get down to the truth.
"Oh where, oh where has www.zahrabaker.com gone . . . Oh where, oh where can it be."?
I know it was being remodled. Didn't the permit get approved?
However, I did get routed to this site: http://www.hickoryrefuge.com/index.htm
Didn't see Zahra's name ANYWHERE. Maybe the workers are on break. I'll check later.
So much for transparency.
"Anonymous
October 27, 2010 10:44 PM
Sandi, you obviously do not know Brandon or Tim. If you did, you would know they do not make THREATS to sue, they will do it. And, I suspect after filing a suit against Laurie Powell for slandering them (she is now on record admitting to not telling the truth, and has had her remarks removed from several websites), that you would be the next person they would sue. In fact, I have heard a subpoena has already been served on Google Corp for the release of your information. Just a matter of a few days, until they are able to zero in on you.
Also, in NC, any fax sent to any government agency is public record - including the phone number used to transmit the fax. As is any email sent or received. So, keep digging your hole. It won't be long, until you will be donating to the Zahra Baker Fund by way of the NC Justice System."
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Has anyone received a subpoena yet? Didn't think so.